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		<title>Comment on The Great Divorce by Alex</title>
		<link>http://worship180.org/2012/05/10/the-great-divorce/comment-page-1/#comment-9989</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I genuinely believe, for what it&#039;s worth, that if we truly follow the way of Christ, there&#039;s no way to be an &quot;American christian&quot; you have to choose. The message of Jesus dictated a separation between the way the &quot;Kingdoms of this world&quot; look and the way the &quot;Kingdom of God&quot; works. I think the latter is what should dictate our lives. (Matthew 20:25-28, there&#039;s several more examples, this one just comes to mind.) Paul also made a vast distinction between Christian living (Romans 12) and civil living (Romans 13) and, in my opinion, made it very clear that you have to choose if you want to serve king and country, or Lord Jesus (Lord being a title that would have been reserved for Caesar to the original audience of the book of Romans).

I&#039;m under a firm conviction that we should vote our conscious, but voting one way or another on American politics is not in service to the Kingdom of God. I don&#039;t think the way you vote is necessarily indicative of your relationship, or lack of relationship, with God. 

I believe we should live according to the witness of scripture, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s as clear cut as some people would like to make it, so I just say when in doubt, show love and pray that God will give you wisdom to deal with friends and enemies alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I genuinely believe, for what it&#8217;s worth, that if we truly follow the way of Christ, there&#8217;s no way to be an &#8220;American christian&#8221; you have to choose. The message of Jesus dictated a separation between the way the &#8220;Kingdoms of this world&#8221; look and the way the &#8220;Kingdom of God&#8221; works. I think the latter is what should dictate our lives. (Matthew 20:25-28, there&#8217;s several more examples, this one just comes to mind.) Paul also made a vast distinction between Christian living (Romans 12) and civil living (Romans 13) and, in my opinion, made it very clear that you have to choose if you want to serve king and country, or Lord Jesus (Lord being a title that would have been reserved for Caesar to the original audience of the book of Romans).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m under a firm conviction that we should vote our conscious, but voting one way or another on American politics is not in service to the Kingdom of God. I don&#8217;t think the way you vote is necessarily indicative of your relationship, or lack of relationship, with God. </p>
<p>I believe we should live according to the witness of scripture, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s as clear cut as some people would like to make it, so I just say when in doubt, show love and pray that God will give you wisdom to deal with friends and enemies alike.</p>
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		<title>Comment on May 6th Sunday Set List by Alex</title>
		<link>http://worship180.org/2012/05/06/may-6th-sunday-set-list/comment-page-1/#comment-9943</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 16:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was also a great improvised version of &quot;Holy, Holy, Holy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was also a great improvised version of &#8220;Holy, Holy, Holy&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who I Am by worship180</title>
		<link>http://worship180.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-9914</link>
		<dc:creator>worship180</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 13:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher, 
Glad you found the site! I&#039;m always willing to share ideas with other worship leaders. Hey, I&#039;m always looking for ideas from other worship leaders. Shoot me an email at harry.walls4@gmail.com and lets talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,<br />
Glad you found the site! I&#8217;m always willing to share ideas with other worship leaders. Hey, I&#8217;m always looking for ideas from other worship leaders. Shoot me an email at <a href="mailto:harry.walls4@gmail.com">harry.walls4@gmail.com</a> and lets talk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who I Am by Christopher Owens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harry!
I am praying for your family and ministry. Found your site as I was trying to get different ideas of what songs other ministers are using. I am the worship minister for Harvest Oaks Church in Allen TX.  Thanks so much for sharing and allowing God to use you. I will be responding with some of my set list on the Sundays that you post as I remember. Maybe you can give me some ideas also (books, dvd&#039;s, anything helpful). I am going on three years with Harvest Oaks and looking for stuff to keep growing in His ministry. 
Thanks and have a great week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry!<br />
I am praying for your family and ministry. Found your site as I was trying to get different ideas of what songs other ministers are using. I am the worship minister for Harvest Oaks Church in Allen TX.  Thanks so much for sharing and allowing God to use you. I will be responding with some of my set list on the Sundays that you post as I remember. Maybe you can give me some ideas also (books, dvd&#8217;s, anything helpful). I am going on three years with Harvest Oaks and looking for stuff to keep growing in His ministry.<br />
Thanks and have a great week!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worship Music Shelf Life and Timeless Classics by Michael Chance</title>
		<link>http://worship180.org/2012/03/20/worship-music-shelf-life-and-timeless-classics/comment-page-1/#comment-9404</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - actually, if you go to a Greek Orthodox service, you&#039;ll hear a lot of 1st to 5th century Christian music.  Many Catholic masses have a lot of Gregorian chant, still.   The current United Methodist hymnal is full of music from across all the two millenium of Christianity.  We&#039;re still singing those old hymns (and even older psalms) because they still reveal the truth of the Gospel and what it means to live a Christian life.

Like any musical genre, Christian music of any age usually only has a handful of songs that stand up to the test of time.  Look at a hymnal from the late 19th century, and you may find only a dozen, at most, that are in today&#039;s.  Charles Wesley wrote over 6000 hymns; Isaac Watts wrote over 750; Bach wrote nearly 200 chorales and sacred songs - today, we only regularly hear a handful of the works of these great masters of sacred music.  The same will be true of Chris Tomlin, Stuart Townend, Dave Crowder, Rebecca St. James, and the rest of today&#039;s CCM mega-stars.

What makes a sacred song or hymn a &quot;classic&quot;?  A lot of things, but, at it&#039;s core, it has to be fundamentally faithful to the Bible, and to the tenents of the Christian faith that have remained the bedrock that the Church has rested on for the past 2000 years.  Then you can add in things like singability, metre, rhythm and rhyme, lyricism, etc.

There is a movement out there, lead by the younger folk, back to a much deeper, richer worship experience, not just with music, but also with liturgy.  I don&#039;t know what shape it&#039;s going to finally take, but I&#039;m looking forward to watching it grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; actually, if you go to a Greek Orthodox service, you&#8217;ll hear a lot of 1st to 5th century Christian music.  Many Catholic masses have a lot of Gregorian chant, still.   The current United Methodist hymnal is full of music from across all the two millenium of Christianity.  We&#8217;re still singing those old hymns (and even older psalms) because they still reveal the truth of the Gospel and what it means to live a Christian life.</p>
<p>Like any musical genre, Christian music of any age usually only has a handful of songs that stand up to the test of time.  Look at a hymnal from the late 19th century, and you may find only a dozen, at most, that are in today&#8217;s.  Charles Wesley wrote over 6000 hymns; Isaac Watts wrote over 750; Bach wrote nearly 200 chorales and sacred songs &#8211; today, we only regularly hear a handful of the works of these great masters of sacred music.  The same will be true of Chris Tomlin, Stuart Townend, Dave Crowder, Rebecca St. James, and the rest of today&#8217;s CCM mega-stars.</p>
<p>What makes a sacred song or hymn a &#8220;classic&#8221;?  A lot of things, but, at it&#8217;s core, it has to be fundamentally faithful to the Bible, and to the tenents of the Christian faith that have remained the bedrock that the Church has rested on for the past 2000 years.  Then you can add in things like singability, metre, rhythm and rhyme, lyricism, etc.</p>
<p>There is a movement out there, lead by the younger folk, back to a much deeper, richer worship experience, not just with music, but also with liturgy.  I don&#8217;t know what shape it&#8217;s going to finally take, but I&#8217;m looking forward to watching it grow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worship Music Shelf Life and Timeless Classics by worship180</title>
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		<dc:creator>worship180</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, both of you. I believe that it is the music of the past that allows us to create what we have today. Sometimes I feel like people are saying that the last generation or two wrote music that was so good that there isn&#039;t a need for anything else. I&#039;m like, &quot;Really?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, both of you. I believe that it is the music of the past that allows us to create what we have today. Sometimes I feel like people are saying that the last generation or two wrote music that was so good that there isn&#8217;t a need for anything else. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Really?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worship Music Shelf Life and Timeless Classics by Charlie</title>
		<link>http://worship180.org/2012/03/20/worship-music-shelf-life-and-timeless-classics/comment-page-1/#comment-9397</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up a lot of items worth discussing. Probably enough topics to write several blog posts about. 
1. What makes a classic, classic?
2. Why do we always go back to the classics?
3. Who is deciding what the shelf life relevant worship music in the church? I would raise that question to who decides relevant music period?

Other questions I would ask that I think answer some of the one&#039;s you posed. 
1. How does old music influence new music?
2. If everything is a remix (copy, transform, combine) are there in fact remnants of old music in today&#039;s modern music? If so then are there future classics in our midst right now? 
3. Is it the music content, the lyrical content or both that makes &quot;classic&quot; music stick with us for so long?

I think we need modern interpretation of older music. I also think we need people who are trying to express themselves from scratch. Even though deep down they are expressing previous influence, probably from older music... 

For instance, I had never heard of Buddy Guy, Doyle Bramhal, or Elmore James until I heard Stevie Ray Vaughn bring their music to life for me. Stevie took older music and interpreted it through a rich modern sound with his precision on the fret board. But, after listening to Stevie I went back and started listening to those other guys, and then realized how much they, and others, influenced today&#039;s blues and rock music. 

I don&#039;t think we abandon classics as much as we search for our own identity. We need the classics but we don&#039;t want to be the classics. We need to be something that is unique to ourselves. We have a built in desire to create, our God gave us that gift. So sometimes we want to make something from nothing and for it to be only us who created it. What we realize so often on the way is that we are all created in God&#039;s image and that creation has a common thread that has woven all of it together. In that thread lies millineums of expression that speak to that commonality.  Whether it be worship music that speaks to the character of God or a blues song that expresses the pain of heart break. Those things that are core to our humanity will last the test of time and will be expressed forever. 

Even as we search for our individualism it is futile to abandon what makes us persons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up a lot of items worth discussing. Probably enough topics to write several blog posts about.<br />
1. What makes a classic, classic?<br />
2. Why do we always go back to the classics?<br />
3. Who is deciding what the shelf life relevant worship music in the church? I would raise that question to who decides relevant music period?</p>
<p>Other questions I would ask that I think answer some of the one&#8217;s you posed.<br />
1. How does old music influence new music?<br />
2. If everything is a remix (copy, transform, combine) are there in fact remnants of old music in today&#8217;s modern music? If so then are there future classics in our midst right now?<br />
3. Is it the music content, the lyrical content or both that makes &#8220;classic&#8221; music stick with us for so long?</p>
<p>I think we need modern interpretation of older music. I also think we need people who are trying to express themselves from scratch. Even though deep down they are expressing previous influence, probably from older music&#8230; </p>
<p>For instance, I had never heard of Buddy Guy, Doyle Bramhal, or Elmore James until I heard Stevie Ray Vaughn bring their music to life for me. Stevie took older music and interpreted it through a rich modern sound with his precision on the fret board. But, after listening to Stevie I went back and started listening to those other guys, and then realized how much they, and others, influenced today&#8217;s blues and rock music. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we abandon classics as much as we search for our own identity. We need the classics but we don&#8217;t want to be the classics. We need to be something that is unique to ourselves. We have a built in desire to create, our God gave us that gift. So sometimes we want to make something from nothing and for it to be only us who created it. What we realize so often on the way is that we are all created in God&#8217;s image and that creation has a common thread that has woven all of it together. In that thread lies millineums of expression that speak to that commonality.  Whether it be worship music that speaks to the character of God or a blues song that expresses the pain of heart break. Those things that are core to our humanity will last the test of time and will be expressed forever. </p>
<p>Even as we search for our individualism it is futile to abandon what makes us persons.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worship Music Shelf Life and Timeless Classics by Nick Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trends are always cyclical. The fashion industry is an excellent example of this, where every few years styles from a particular decade come back around, but in a new way. Trends in worship music are similar. Using the two examples you cited, it could be argued that the trend for hymns is not based on an organic movement springing up, but rather from two major entities pushing this particular idea/agenda (said entities being the passion hymns cd and mumford and sons).

Worship music always follows the same pattern: a new style is introduced, career christians in the church resist the new style, the new style is eventually met with reluctant acceptance, and then when enough time has passed the &quot;new&quot; style is used to stifle the growth of newer styles that come up after it.

There isn&#039;t a radio station for &quot;classic christian&quot; music. There isn&#039;t a christian equivalent of KSHE95, and even in the church itself we dont sing songs that congregations from the 1st (or even the 10th) century sang, nor should we. Growth and change is always rooted in the creation and implementation of new ideas and concepts, and any rehash of the way things used to be is just an attempt to &quot;bring back the good old days.&quot; This applies to worship music as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trends are always cyclical. The fashion industry is an excellent example of this, where every few years styles from a particular decade come back around, but in a new way. Trends in worship music are similar. Using the two examples you cited, it could be argued that the trend for hymns is not based on an organic movement springing up, but rather from two major entities pushing this particular idea/agenda (said entities being the passion hymns cd and mumford and sons).</p>
<p>Worship music always follows the same pattern: a new style is introduced, career christians in the church resist the new style, the new style is eventually met with reluctant acceptance, and then when enough time has passed the &#8220;new&#8221; style is used to stifle the growth of newer styles that come up after it.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a radio station for &#8220;classic christian&#8221; music. There isn&#8217;t a christian equivalent of KSHE95, and even in the church itself we dont sing songs that congregations from the 1st (or even the 10th) century sang, nor should we. Growth and change is always rooted in the creation and implementation of new ideas and concepts, and any rehash of the way things used to be is just an attempt to &#8220;bring back the good old days.&#8221; This applies to worship music as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who I Am by worship180</title>
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		<dc:creator>worship180</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like connecting with people like that as well. I think that&#039;s the beauty of the internet. Google+ is really a cool thing for that even better than Facebook. I&#039;m thinking about putting together a worship leader hangout with some other worship leaders that I&#039;ve met on here. Would you be interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like connecting with people like that as well. I think that&#8217;s the beauty of the internet. Google+ is really a cool thing for that even better than Facebook. I&#8217;m thinking about putting together a worship leader hangout with some other worship leaders that I&#8217;ve met on here. Would you be interested?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who I Am by Steve Millikan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Millikan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I found you and your blog on the interwebs. I like connecting with real people, and that&#039;s what I think I&#039;ve been blessed to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I found you and your blog on the interwebs. I like connecting with real people, and that&#8217;s what I think I&#8217;ve been blessed to find.</p>
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